Seth's/Brutal Will vs Mana Trap

[ziv]

I keep hearing about how common and powerful Seth's Will builds are, but what I don't understand is why you can't just counter it by having a witch use mana trap? The only way to still be able to use Seth's Will then would be to use purification scrolls or to run with an oracle and a shaman together. Is there something I'm missing?

[Flexor]

they are not almighty,mana trap their going-to-seth-will row,or simply mana seal them if u can predict they are going to seth nxt turn,its all about how u predict and counter

[Axiom]

Because really... casting mana trap is a completely wasted turn from your witch. Mana drain would be much more useful to kill some of the melee characters MP or if it's turn 3+ meteor storm.

Also most high level players keep puri scrolls on most every character. I mean... why not play with them? There is no downside and while they are expensive, they aren't really too bad for the amount of gold you pull in at higher levels.

[ziv]

Because really... casting mana trap is a completely wasted turn from your witch. Mana drain would be much more useful to kill some of the melee characters MP or if it's turn 3+ meteor storm.
How is it wasted? It keeps them from using Seth's Will, which means that your opponent has to come up with a new strategy, and you end up with a lot more hp than you otherwise would have from not getting your lines rended apart by spear/axe users.

[Axiom]

The biggest drawback is if you want mana trap to not be dodged then you're going to have to sink skill points into that skill. Also it's a skill that ONLY counters one specific skill and even then it only ever prevents a person from using it for 1 turn if they pack puri scrolls.

Don't take my word for it though. Simply ask some of the high end players on your server.

[Flexor]

Schizophrenia
= Witch (Mana Trap) + Oracle (Seth's Will) or Shaman (Brutal Will)
[LV] [HP] [MP(opponent)]
1___-100_____-400
21__-220_____-1680
41__-340_____-2960
61__-460_____-4240
70__-514_____-4816

credit to kaidis from official forum,if they cast seth will,they eat this as consequences,it all depends on how u play,u can completely shut down a seth will built formation totally

[Axiom]

Do people still not get this? If their formation HAS to have butal/seth (unlikely) then they can just double puri scroll and unless you can interupt both scrolls they will be casting brutal/seth 1 turn later than normal and you've just screwed the cooldown timer for your meteor.

[aphrodite]

how does Schizophrenia work?
when it says mana trap+brutal/seth it means ur mana trap and enemie's seth/brutal rite?

so u use mana trap after they have brutal/seth on?

[Kode]

You use mana trap first. Then if enemy uses brutal/seth, schizophrenia triggers.

[Balathorn]

Mana Trap, like the name and all the "motivational posters" on the internets say, is a trap :). By itself it does nothing important, it can be dispelled via Purification scroll (which is a standard turn 2 move by any high level in any worthwhile match), and it uses 2 cooldown points that could have been used on drain or meteor.

As a side note, you will never get the combo to trigger in PvP against any players that has heard about the skill :).

[meloku2]

Agree the opp must be semi retarded to cast seth on mana traped mercs.

[Nightroad]

High tier playing comes down to who makes the first mistake in many cases. End game PvP includes other more expensive tactic, like scrolls.

Mana trap is a counter to "Will" builds but also is easily counterable.
Mana trap as well as all other ailments are cureable, with a purification scroll, or in the case of being fainted, monks awaken or and Awakening scroll.
Now to counter scrolls its necessary to have 2 long-range mercs in your line up at all times, such that they can be remov ed before they activate.

Another counter to a "Will " build is that after they have applied a will, use a dispel scroll. and then the same things apply.

As much as people say scrolling is "unfair" it becomes a very important part of PvP as of late.

[crazynjay]

what schizophrenia do?

[methane]

May be a bit out of point here here but i like to empasize mobs use seth wills and brutal will. you probably will have a semi hard time when they do that. So the idea is mana trap them! Theres really no need to level up mana trap too much. For me? i just level them up to level 1! Mainly for the purpose of stopping enemy from casting brutal will at the mini boss at higher levels.....mini boss with brutal will and to top it off they arent affected by stun and freeze.... imagine the destruction they could cause. Also i dont use mana trap in pvp. Probably haven got owned in pvp by brutal will user. thinking may change :D

[Arietta]

most of the time they will cast will which will trigger schizo, then another one will just recast will on that same row... making it pointless in pve.

[synd]

manatrap misses most enemy targets at level 1, best put it at lvl 11 (from personal experience).

Manatrap also enables you to "see" when the seth's will is coming via the purification scroll the enemy will be using. And when you can successfully predict seth's will, you will have a better timing when using your dispel scroll.

Thus, having a witch with mana trap in your lineup should almost guarantee that the enemy won't be able to use seth's will on their main damage row.

[leawen]

to bad that this thing does not work like it sounds .. mana "TRAP" it should be something that is casted but the opponet does not know that they are infected ( or that it was casted really ) so that way it trully traps them not just delay them