Staff main really that bad?

[Spydermage]

is staff main really that bad?

i have seen so many posts and comment from players that staff main is useless, underpowered compared to oracle... etc.

i have played till lv 67 now and i think being a staff user is not bad at all. anybody has any positive comments on being a staff main? :)

my final formation... i think shd be this:

:spt::bst::lak:
:exo::witc::inv:
:pro::malehero::ora:

assuming spartan is available by then... else, stick to :spm:

any comments anyone? i am more pve than pvp btw.

[Crisie]

I was a staff at first but then switched , if you want it for PvE its more then fine , I just didn't like it for PvP . I probably wouldn't run an oracle with a staff main though.

[Aura]

staff main is not bad....it is like a healer + aoe skill...which is really good
but oracle is too good for later games lol...
higher ap recover, more hp and def, better healing and will type spell...
and staff main can't even use noble sacrifice(lol i want to see ppl using that...you heal your own team and die lol)....

however, female staff user has really good clothing...thats unbeatable!!

[Spydermage]

I was a staff at first but then switched , if you want it for PvE its more then fine , I just didn't like it for PvP . I probably wouldn't run an oracle with a staff main though.

hmm ok... what is your suggestion in place of oracle?

[Marisa the Rainmaker]

You wouldn't need anything in place of an oracle if you already have a staff main O_O.

[Keats]

Eva Scud maxxed deals some nice damage so shaman main are not that bad

[Spydermage]

You wouldn't need anything in place of an oracle if you already have a staff main O_O.

sorry.. i dun really get you... so i dont need oracle or i do need oracle? :)
if i dont need oracle, what would be a best substitute?

[Vrael]

in place of the oracle i would say get a cannoneer, your formation could do with the aoe

[Marisa the Rainmaker]

Cannoneer or monk would be a good choice. I'd go as far as replacing the spearman with a swordsman (or cannoneer) instead for defense/tankability, since it's not really that advantageous to run only one spearman in a party, and the swordsman would provide you with better survivability (up to you though).

A monk would be recommended somewhere in your party though.

[Spydermage]

hmmm thanks for the advise.... yes maybe i shd train up a monk... :)
cannoneer will take sometime to get :)

[Flexor]

my secondary acct is a staff main,i put her at front row with protect = decent def and high mdef...then brutal will my 2nd row of gunner and spears,lotsa fun! but dun expect TOO much in pvp

[Spydermage]

i tried putting my main in front row with monk support... couldnt survive. the mob just pound at my main over and over again. stunned and unable to heal himself, it took only 2 rounds to get killed.

no no... main staff not supposed to be in front row.

[Krullthor]

You better put a monk in that setup for pvp at least, if you plan on doing pvp that is, cause else youll end up getting most of the team stunned.

[Flexor]

i tried putting my main in front row with monk support... couldnt survive. the mob just pound at my main over and over again. stunned and unable to heal himself, it took only 2 rounds to get killed.

no no... main staff not supposed to be in front row.

get him best equips,guard whenever possible,vitality rings,tht should do the trick,if at 3rd turn got pounded badly,switch.

[Spydermage]

except for awakening skill, there isnt any equipment that can prevent stun, is there?

[Flexor]

awakening scroll

[Spydermage]

hmmm i actually mean gears, like armor or accessories.
i know stimulant can also recover from stun...

[Demon]

yes, id say staff mains sucks... low hp, low defence, high mdef... pointless tho...
archer snipe... gg...
scud isnt that good either..

[cfk]

Hear it's not so bad with an elephant.

So yeah just a few ...dozen..hundred..mil and you're good to go.

[Aura]

my secondary acct is a staff main,i put her at front row with protect = decent def and high mdef...then brutal will my 2nd row of gunner and spears,lotsa fun! but dun expect TOO much in pvp

lol staff main in front...= gg in 2 turns
well that works with pve if you have like all set of +10...or mobs are weak
when you reach about lv 95 , the mob will 1 hit ko you lol...

[Kelnari]

I played a front-line staff main through level 70- have only died a few times PvE but it definitely doesn't work in FL... want to switch myself. Can't decide Bow or Axe though. =(

[iveldion]

I think its but idea, u didnt have sacrife, its usefull skill, i didn't replace shaman for oracle, becouse h lvl skill can change score any pvp, of corse if u can using it.

[MrSharp]

Why have your staff main in front line?

Have you tried moving him to back?
From my experience, staff main is not that bad. Scud deals out pretty decent damage. Perhaps you may have to make a few adjustments to fit?

[Crisco]

Staff mains aren't "good" until the entire server progresses towards upper tier. That means, when many players have high gears (more specifically you, the shaman main) shaman mains start shining.

The reasons:
As people's gears get better, defense scales faster and better than weapon damage. What will happen is, you won't need to heal every turn or even every other turn. in fact, heals become very unimportant as gear progression continues.

Shaman mains probably has the best survivability in the game. It is very difficult to snipe since SOP and heals in general heal for a ton. aoe damage/dot damage does negligibly low damage (about 75-80% reduction)

Shaman mains have ridiculously high base damage as well, granted you don't have splash damage like many of the other classes, but if you decide to use a ded moroz's staff, you will see that a +1 or even a +0 will make your damage incredibly high.

As for shaman mains having very low hp and defense, i think is pretty subjectively stupid. Shaman mains have more defense, mdef and HP than archers or gunners. Shaman mains probably have less HP than cannon mains, but will still have more defense and mdef. Sham mains are essentially right in the middle between melee mains and ranged mains incredibly high "peak" in mdef.

Shaman main tries to combine two roles into one class. Unlike archer or even axe mains, where you're trying to replace a merc by playing that specific main, shaman mains not only replace your merc healer (doesn't mean you can't have a second healer) but also gives you access to another AOE that no other class has access to.

I'm too tired to think of the other adva

[Mersey]

There is actually a staff main on Mycenae that does very well for himself in the WC. Granted he is probably geared to high hell, but from what I've observed they are far from useless in PvP.

[MrSharp]

why do my posts dbl all the time?

[MrSharp]

Yup and the best player switched to a staff main and won the weekly I watched yesterday quite comfortably.

that in itself speaks volumes...