Quick Enchanting Question

[LanAltec8]

From what I understand, you have to start using Intermediate Enchanting Stones for Armor/Weapons above level 35. When do you have to start using the Advanced Enchanting stones? Is it past level for gear above level 60, equal to 60 or what?

Also, based on that, what's the most cost effective times to actually enchant a good amount.

Right now I'm ~35 on most of my mercenaries except for newly hired ones.

I have:

Swordman - Axe (Main) - Swordman
Spearman - - Spearman
Monk - - Shaman

I have my melee units using Asura's weapons that are enchanted a decent amount, casters using base Asura weapons, and everyone using like +2 Ocean Armor for all slots.

I was thinking about skipping the 35 set and then spending a lot of money on the level 50 weapons/armor getting it all to +4 and using it for awhile. Would that be more useful in the long run or should I get 35 base stuff, and then get 60 stuff that I enchant a lot.

Basically I'm trying to figure out what gear levels I should actually spend a lot of money enchanting to get the most benefit in the long run at the cheapest cost. Any suggestions?

Also, anyone know how to put spaces in formations when using the pictures? I wanted to use them but couldn't figure out how to make a blank spot.

[Jimsta]

Beg is up to 30
Int is up to 60
Adv is up to 100

So yea, you can use int enchant stones for level 60 equips.

[cfk]

Higher level stones can be used for lower items, a good idea for example on Macedon where it's cheaper by 10-20-30% to buy ADV boxes and use those on your INT gear.

On Argos this is probably not going to be the case until a larger majority of the server/bot farmers are farming ADV box drops. Making assumption of course it's not there yet.

As far as gear, the general case across item levels is that for a given level X, the next level equipment Y at +0 will be a tiny bit better than a +1 X.

Too lazy to pull up an actual stat from ingame atm but for example..

Say a +1 level 50 Walachia armor piece has 100 defense. A +0 level 60 Anu armor piece of same type will have around 102 defense.

What this means for you on a budget is simple:

You will naturally get gear boxes for your level as you progress. Use them, enchant them because usually it takes a while between levels of gear to build up a whole set for all your mercs.

If you choose to buy from market however, at some point there will be a disproportionate jump in cost vs attack/defense value.

That example level 50 Walachia armor might be worth $50K at +0, $100K at +1.
As the market tends to demonstrate with higher level gear though, the +0 level 60 Anu armor might be $200K.

If it costs 2-3x more than it's "worth" to upgrade to level-whatever gear, hang on to your enchanted lower gear until you can farm your own boxes.

[Spydermage]

it may be more systematic, but i usually just upgrade my gears as opportunity strikes. everytime you get a drop on equipment box, it's a good time to open and hoping to upgrade some equipments.

at higher level you may not have that many boxes though. like my lv66 merc is still using +5 rakhsasa equip...

[Marisa the Rainmaker]

It's usually a good idea, if you have asura, to upgrade that and skip destroyer (open your angkor wat boxes though and upgrade those). Destroyer gear isn't really expensive per se, although you'll run into the problem of using int stones to enchant them. In particular, in my experience, it's better to stop at a level when you can still enchant with Beg stones, enchant your gears to +4/+5, and save the int stones for when you get Walachia items. The 15 level gap is amazingly short, and insect dungeon is mostly quite easy with a few high-enchanted lower gears.

[SparkGun]

You don't have to upgrade your armour every lvl if it has decent enchantments. As you get higher and higher lvl, boxes become more harder to get so you probably won't have a full set unless you have alot of money

[LanAltec8]

Right now I'm still using terrible gear on my mercenaries at level 35 with Ocean Armor (and even some spirit on newer mercenaries) although my melee weapons are pretty good.

Would it even be possible to make it to 50 with this kind of gear?

Also, a lot of people I've seen talk about getting to 50 and spending a lot on the level 50 Walachia, Blood Knight, etc. gear. Do people not go for the Anu/Gilgamesh stuff much? Seems wasteful to spend so much enchanting level 50 gear and then replace it with level 60 gear that will be enchanted a ton too.

With decently enchanted Walachia gear (+4 armor/weapons) would it be pretty easy to get up to level 70-80 gear?

What kind of gear do people use in higher tiers of Free League (10-12)? Would you be at a severe disadvantage if you used gear 1-2 tiers below them?

[SparkGun]

Right now I'm still using terrible gear on my mercenaries at level 35 with Ocean Armor (and even some spirit on newer mercenaries) although my melee weapons are pretty good.

Would it even be possible to make it to 50 with this kind of gear?

Also, a lot of people I've seen talk about getting to 50 and spending a lot on the level 50 Walachia, Blood Knight, etc. gear. Do people not go for the Anu/Gilgamesh stuff much? Seems wasteful to spend so much enchanting level 50 gear and then replace it with level 60 gear that will be enchanted a ton too.

With decently enchanted Walachia gear (+4 armor/weapons) would it be pretty easy to get up to level 70-80 gear?

What kind of gear do people use in higher tiers of Free League (10-12)? Would you be at a severe disadvantage if you used gear 1-2 tiers below them?

+4s can last you about two equipment tiers, the disadvantage is that free league nerfs the the enchantment effects so higher tier has a better advangage

[Spydermage]

ya... made a few +5 and they lasted me a long time

[LostCause]

If you are not planning to do much free league, my advice is to just stick with lv 25 gears and enchant them to higher +. Beg stone are cheap and easy to farm that it wont hurt your pocket to try to over enchant all those gear. In pve you get the face value of what + your equipment are and at +5 or better it can easily last u to the lv50 teir armor/weapon.

If you are planning to do FL then probably want to upgrade your gears as you see fit as the + dont carry over at face value and it is partly nerf, not sure by how much but just know u dont get the full value of it.

[aphrodite]

i heard that after +2, +3, or +4 u start getting nerf >.>

[Marisa the Rainmaker]

i heard that after +2, +3, or +4 u start getting nerf >.>

It only happens in PvP, and only in the free leagues. In PvM and PK, there are no penalty or nerfs at any enchantment level of any equipment.

[LanAltec8]

Thanks for the help.

On a way different note, if anyone is still reading this thread, I plan to get a Beast Trainer at level 44 or at least start the quest then. Does anyone know how long the quest takes to finish till you can actually get your Beast Trainer? And should I be hiring a Mercenary at 40 anyway even though he's going to be replaced immediately by my Beast Trainer?

[Marisa the Rainmaker]

You get another mercenary at 50, and by the time you finish that quest, you should be pretty close to level 50 =p.

Otherwise, the quest requires the following, in order:

Beast Trainer Nari (Lv.44):
20x Scorpion Stingers - Get these from scorpions. Drop rates are somewhat low, though.
20x Dried Camel Tongue - Get these from starved camels. Drop rates are similarly low, so you'll have to kill a lot of them.
1x Quiz - Answer [Zhu Rong].

Princess Hwa Man:
20x Lion Whiskers - Get from Tropical Lions. You'll kill quite a few of them in the process, though the quest items drop pretty readily. Lions are pretty difficult, though, with their high HP and good attack.
20x Fox Ears - Get from White Foxes near Hiroshima. Drop rate is rather poor at times, so be prepared to kill a few mobs of them to complete this.
20x Bear Paws - Get from Red Bears near Beijing. Decent drop rate, though these do hurt.
20x Tiger Molars - Get from White Tigers near Beijing. Okay drop rate, though tigers have a lot of HP.
30x Dark Harpy Claws - Shadow Dungeon dark harpies, 1F. Watch out for self-destruct and mana burn.
30x Enchanted Bones - Shadow Dungeon ravanas, 2F. If you attack one, make sure to kill it. The soldiers and generals will use flame strike if they're below 1/2 HP, and flame strike hurts like no tomorrow.
30x Red Eyeballs - Shadow Dungeon rakasas, 3F. They can attack any row and uses healing, so watch out for your caster row.

Bao Sanniang:
20x Shining Glass - Shadow Dungeon Drop
20x Powder of Life - Shadow Dungeon Drop, also fishable
30x Powder of Spirit - Shadow Dungeon Drop, also fishable

Princess Hwa Man:
1x Tanaka - Impossible to do alone at level 44-50. Get a party and kill him.

[leawen]

with a party you can knock out bt really fast I know I did the whole quest in a night and went from lvl 45 ish to lvl 47 only took 2 or 3 hours ( partner had the shadow dungeons mapped so just had to port to him once hand ins were done )

[LanAltec8]

Yeah, I figured I'd level a decent amount during the quest, but at 50 I plan to pick up a Witch (or start the quest at 51 I mean).

By the way, it looks like you found that information on a website or something. Do you have a website with the requirements for all quests or where is that from?

[Marisa the Rainmaker]

By the way, it looks like you found that information on a website or something. Do you have a website with the requirements for all quests or where is that from?

Nope. The information came from my in-game quest log right before I reset the quest for the umptieth time (Alt+L works wonders =p).