Help :[

[bankai]

I started off with a pretty good go in both FL and CL, but then I got hung up and I seem to hit a losing streak that won’t end. It could be a mixture of mercenary/placement or maybe I am just not that good at free league. The latter seems likely as I haven’t ever really done it, but am hoping to turn that around sometime, hopefully with fingers crossed.

I recently had to start over; my other maniac was deleted, so I am only level 73 and use the following formation:

Beast Trainer – Saw Main – Viking
Artilleryman – Exorcist – Archer
Monk – Archer – Shaman

I already know / plan on making one of the archers into a prophet for both the passive healing and the utility seen in the prophet, and that will still keep up the snipe / spike of the build. I don’t like Beast Trainer that much; she is there because by mistake I used the orb while it was in my inventory. I guess I am just terribly lost and not sure what I could to improve on this.

Oh, and I figure since I am looking to also improve on FL ability, I should give a bit of my tactical insight so I know if I should be changing something up to get better in that general areas well. I more or less use the archers to snipe out midline ranged (with aid from the artilleryman) to make a nice hole. Using the two archers I try to keep a silence on rows that are useful with magic (backline usually) and then the rest of the time I focus on just spiking things I can hit.

[RonyKing]

Wow you write alot..

[Locksley]

I started off with a pretty good go in both FL and CL, but then I got hung up and I seem to hit a losing streak that won’t end. It could be a mixture of mercenary/placement or maybe I am just not that good at free league. The latter seems likely as I haven’t ever really done it, but am hoping to turn that around sometime, hopefully with fingers crossed.

I recently had to start over; my other maniac was deleted, so I am only level 73 and use the following formation:

Beast Trainer – Saw Main – Viking
Artilleryman – Exorcist – Archer
Monk – Archer – Shaman

I already know / plan on making one of the archers into a prophet for both the passive healing and the utility seen in the prophet, and that will still keep up the snipe / spike of the build. I don’t like Beast Trainer that much; she is there because by mistake I used the orb while it was in my inventory. I guess I am just terribly lost and not sure what I could to improve on this.

Oh, and I figure since I am looking to also improve on FL ability, I should give a bit of my tactical insight so I know if I should be changing something up to get better in that general areas well. I more or less use the archers to snipe out midline ranged (with aid from the artilleryman) to make a nice hole. Using the two archers I try to keep a silence on rows that are useful with magic (backline usually) and then the rest of the time I focus on just spiking things I can hit.

1. build looks fine.
2. how about using prophet to support your melees instead of 2 archers?
3. use archer + exo to maintain silenced backline (mostly shaman, monk, oracle etc), while the other bow attack. bow > exo in terms of damage.

[bankai]

@ RonyKing: I am terribly sorry if paragraphs are painful, I will try to keep future topics shorthand for you.

@ Locksley: Alright, thank you. It seems I was working that out well in terms of where I was going to try and head with it. It seems my win/loss ratio (which doesn’t so much bother me but would like to improve nonetheless) is simply just something that will change as I learn a bit more about PVP since I am still inexperienced.

I am a bit unsure of my final build since I am not very lucky in the area of making money yet, and I don’t item mail often (or at all) so it leaves a few of the big players out of my build right now. Ideally I would like my final build to be something like:

Spartan – Saw Main – Druid
Cannoneer – Exorcist – Prophet
Monk – Empress – Oracle

Of course that is tentative pending of course if I am able to acquire a bit of wealth under my belt as it uses a few ‘top’ players. Another question I have is related to the new Champion merc, would be a replacement for a Spartan or more of an upgraded Lady Knight?

Also, sorry for the text swarm as it seems brevity escaped me and my questions.

[Locksley]

no worries, but I would prefer to switch empress and monk so in the case of warcry, it does not cover all 3 ranged mercs and screw your multi-hit rate.

for the new merc, he is replacing spartan due to weapon rend, which lowers accuracy and serves similar purpose to spartan. he tanks better than both spartan and LK.

LK doesn't have use in pvp (zzzz), guard, guard, light slash and repeat.

[RonyKing]

no worries, but I would prefer to switch empress and monk so in the case of warcry, it does not cover all 3 ranged mercs and screw your multi-hit rate.

for the new merc, he is replacing spartan due to weapon rend, which lowers accuracy and serves similar purpose to spartan. he tanks better than both spartan and LK.

LK doesn't have use in pvp (zzzz), guard, guard, light slash and repeat.

Odd on how you dint mention Exo in midline..

[bankai]

Lol, yeah - I have him tucked away in the back row. I was again wondering how important having a cannon (arty or cannoneer) really is in terms of PVP/PVE.

Well, I know in PVE not so important at least from what I have seen.

Currently:

BT - Saw Main - Viking
Cannon - Prophet - Orcale
Exo - Monk - Archer

If I dropped the cannon for say, Janissary, would it still be as effective and viable? I mean, ideally I would love the Sheriff but I am not spending 50$ and don't have making in game money down to a science yet so won't be seeing her anytime soon I am sure.

Or would it make more sense to drop another merc and still hold onto the cannon? But, my final form was hoping to have dual archer (prophet and empress, the latter pending cash) so the cannon type is the only one I could think to drop for a gun.

[Locksley]

I ignored midline exo earlier because there's empress. HG! if oracle is in HG zone, it means no speedcast. you would be HGing mid unless there's a breach in formation (which isn't easy with THAT frontline).

for pve - arty. for pvp - cannoneer.

for both situations, not compulsory/necessary and you'll do fine without a cannon either way.

its up to you if jani or cannoneer, both can work in your build. I personally would opt for keeping both bows and choosing between cannon or gun.

[Scarecrow]

I don’t like Beast Trainer that much; she is there because by mistake I used the orb while it was in my inventory.

Why does everybody hate BT so much? She is damn sexy, if not the hottest mercenary in game. She is further for a very long time the best mele merc in damage and defense. I think everyone should get a BT, she was my best, most useful mercenary from lvl44-100. And even with lvl100, when most people replace her for Spartan or Druid or whatever, her AoE suddenly starts to get FAR stronger so you could even use her happyminded, while not able to efford the money for B or A mercs.

[RonyKing]

Why does everybody hate BT so much? She is damn sexy, if not the hottest mercenary in game. She is further for a very long time the best mele merc in damage and defense. I think everyone should get a BT, she was my best, most useful mercenary from lvl44-100. And even with lvl100, when most people replace her for Spartan or Druid or whatever, her AoE suddenly starts to get FAR stronger so you could even use her happyminded, while not able to efford the money for B or A mercs.

Wow, cant beleive wjat you just said...
Sir, im going to have to ask u 2 leave..

Proph = Oracle in sexyness contest!

[Scarecrow]

It's much about personal taste, less about facts of sexyness (since there is no fem merc that actually isn't attractive - and let's remove witch from the list before someone calls me a pedophile).

For me (= IMHO!), prophet looks total boring. She's more like that natural greenpeace girl with natural hair and natural bluntness (and probably hairy legs). Oracle, well looks nice in modelled 3D, but her portrait isn't, especially fot the nose!

BT whoever is a naughty, untamed, wild girl. She also somehow reminds me of a cat-girl. Maybe becauuse of da tigrr!

[Flabble]

SHERRRRIFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF

@ ontopic, BT's summon is really not that useful. imo it is weak lvl 44-100, and after lvl 100, unless you are doing an AoE build, shes not a good tank, she has normal defense and a lowish mdef. Spartans and druids are chosen for skills that have more utility (Warcry, BS/FP) and for the fact that they are tanks that really can last the entire game.

However, if you're a staff main with a witch, sheriff, and the whole setup, go for it. Ridge, Beast summon RR, Meteor, and FB will competely destroy someone (can anyone say, dead viking?)

[RonyKing]

SHERRRRIFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF

@ ontopic, BT's summon is really not that useful. imo it is weak lvl 44-100, and after lvl 100, unless you are doing an AoE build, shes not a good tank, she has normal defense and a lowish mdef. Spartans and druids are chosen for skills that have more utility (Warcry, BS/FP) and for the fact that they are tanks that really can last the entire game.

However, if you're a staff main with a witch, sheriff, and the whole setup, go for it. Ridge, Beast summon RR, Meteor, and FB will competely destroy someone (can anyone say, dead viking?)

Dead Viking. Your welcome :P

@Scarecrow - Proph reminds me of Gaga and Oracle of Beyonce. Thats why i think they hotttt :P

But your prolly like 50. And I as a MS teen, got alot waiting for me then just a virtual lesb on a tiger xD

[Cheesecake]

It's much about personal taste, less about facts of sexyness (since there is no fem merc that actually isn't attractive - and let's remove witch from the list before someone calls me a pedophile).

For me (= IMHO!), prophet looks total boring. She's more like that natural greenpeace girl with natural hair and natural bluntness (and probably hairy legs). Oracle, well looks nice in modelled 3D, but her portrait isn't, especially fot the nose!

BT whoever is a naughty, untamed, wild girl. She also somehow reminds me of a cat-girl. Maybe becauuse of da tigrr!

Alright im going to say this. BT is good, until you get access to Spartan. Spartan just outclasses her damage in every possible way, is a better tank ( lower mdef, but HG/shield makes up for that), and...kk he's more expensive :P. But if you can afford to replace BT with something like a spartan, then DO IT.

[Flabble]

And I as a MS teen, got alot waiting for me then just a virtual lesb on a tiger xD

As a HS teen, I can say that nothing is waiting for me except video games and thats about it =(

[Scarecrow]

Telling from ur sig, I know u won't like to hear, but I so absolutely not like Lady Gaga. She is pure trash, copying a style, been there 5years before ("nu rave") and actually destroying it by mainstreaming it (in a very bad way)
And i am actually 50/2 :P

And as I said, useful from 44-100 because I never seen anywone having spartan or druid below 100 lol
Think about what melee mercenaries u can use till 100. There is LK coming at 95 okay. But who else is there? Exo? No comparable. Viking? Worse in everything but his freeze. Swordman? Worse def, worse atk, worse skills. Spearman? Probably the worst melee merc in game. And well LK? super def but super no use for atacking. Actually, BT in fact is very useful because till 100 she is the most damage dealing melee mercenary. And her AoE spell can be quite useful. Until 100, only witch and main can use AoE. I mean c'mon, Arty DI is not really made for dealing dmg. And since main is no mercenary but your proud main, and witch meteor strike takes forever (most of the time u end the battle before, if not accompany is coming), BT AoE is even the best AoE spell of any mercenary until lvl100 ^________^.

[RonyKing]

Telling from ur sig, I know u won't like to hear, but I so absolutely not like Lady Gaga. She is pure trash, copying a style, been there 5years before ("nu rave") and actually destroying it by mainstreaming it (in a very bad way)
And i am actually 50/2 :P

^________^.

Coming from you, your opinion doesnt really matter. What if i insulted your 70s funky town music? You wouldnt care either now would you:? Old Person Noob....

At Flabble - I feel very sorry for you... (omg whata loser....)

[Scarecrow]

I was born in the mid80ies. So I'm neither old nor I am young and unexperienced like the gaga eras ;)

[Flabble]

Telling from ur sig, I know u won't like to hear, but I so absolutely not like Lady Gaga. She is pure trash, copying a style, been there 5years before ("nu rave") and actually destroying it by mainstreaming it (in a very bad way)
And i am actually 50/2 :P

And as I said, useful from 44-100 because I never seen anywone having spartan or druid below 100 lol
Think about what melee mercenaries u can use till 100. There is LK coming at 95 okay. But who else is there? Exo? No comparable. Viking? Worse in everything but his freeze. Swordman? Worse def, worse atk, worse skills. Spearman? Probably the worst melee merc in game. And well LK? super def but super no use for atacking. Actually, BT in fact is very useful because till 100 she is the most damage dealing melee mercenary. And her AoE spell can be quite useful. Until 100, only witch and main can use AoE. I mean c'mon, Arty DI is not really made for dealing dmg. And since main is no mercenary but your proud main, and witch meteor strike takes forever (most of the time u end the battle before, if not accompany is coming), BT AoE is even the best AoE spell of any mercenary until lvl100 ^________^.

I'm going to disagree with you on many points. Viking is much better BECAUSE of the freeze. Never underestimate freezing axe, it is by far one of the best skills in the game. LK and swordie are useless, true, but you said spearmen are the worst. imo Spearmen are the BEST D merc out there. They are the only ones that actually have utility beyodn lvl like 80.

Swordies fail
Vikings get replaced by druids and such
Gunners....suck
arties are overall worse than cannoneers
archers lose out to empresses

Spearmen, on the other hand, have entire FORMATIONS built around them, They have high attack, relatively decent defense stats (not great, but better tahn viking and exo) and a totally awesome skill that does not get replaced at all. There are no other skills that can completely deny a monk of an activation in the back row.



At Flabble - I feel very sorry for you... (omg whata loser....)

Yes I am a nolifer/loser/otaku/geek/nerd/computer guy. I'm sorry =3

[Scarecrow]

I know freezing axe rocks. I ment it actually like that: Viking has worse stats than BT. Sure, he is for Freezing, and actually u cant compare freezing axe with BT's summon. BT's Summon is for dealing AoE Damage, Freezing for stunning a row, or pressuring a monk. If I had to chose between Viking and BT I probably would go for viking. But in fact, I only need one viking, and there are 2 other melees for front u can chose. And still, BT is the best Melee for Damaging and Defending imho (as said, till 100).

As for the spear: Definately not used for his atk or his def (both there are better melees for, like BT :P). Only reason I can sense is Lightning Spear. Then, I'm not sure how far it's useful. Having 2 of them, maxing out skill lvl and reaching 120upgrade, can't tell how it works. But still, is not the best way to prevent the target from his turn...

Well, actually never have seen any one using Spearmans after at least lvl100. I've been using him actually till he reached lvl80 and never really found his lightning spear working great. Would be interested if and how it works out, tho (no sarcasm).

[Cheesecake]

I'm going to disagree with you on many points. Viking is much better BECAUSE of the freeze. Never underestimate freezing axe, it is by far one of the best skills in the game. LK and swordie are useless, true, but you said spearmen are the worst. imo Spearmen are the BEST D merc out there. They are the only ones that actually have utility beyodn lvl like 80.

Swordies fail
Vikings get replaced by druids and such
Gunners....suck
arties are overall worse than cannoneers
archers lose out to empresses

Spearmen, on the other hand, have entire FORMATIONS built around them, They have high attack, relatively decent defense stats (not great, but better tahn viking and exo) and a totally awesome skill that does not get replaced at all. There are no other skills that can completely deny a monk of an activation in the back row.



Yes I am a nolifer/loser/otaku/geek/nerd/computer guy. I'm sorry =3

Viking and exo outclass spearman tank wise....

And @scarecrow, LK fails. Period. She just tanks. BT's AoE Fails. Only works sortof when spamming in CL. Other then that, can just be considered a finishing move when lots of mobs are low hp (even then sometimes its not enough..its just so weak). She is a very good merc till lvl 100, but as i've said before in another thread (or was it this one too lazy to check) mercs like spartans, outclass her in tanking and damage. Spearman DOES do decent damage. In some respects, his dmg on the enemy being directly targeted does possibly more then BT's does, but BT does more overall damage. BTW once spears get they're lvl 80 upgrades, and lightning spear reaches back row, dual lightning spear on one column can really be a pain.

[Locksley]

erm flabble...def is the pew pew, mdef is more impt.

[Flabble]

erm flabble...def is the pew pew, mdef is more impt.

raising and lowering def is pew pew, but the fact remains that punching a swordie will do less dmg than punching an exo.

and spearman's mdef isn't the WORST of all mercs

[RonyKing]

raising and lowering def is pew pew, but the fact remains that punching a swordie will do less dmg than punching an exo.

and spearman's mdef isn't the WORST of all mercs

Yea it is... It doesnt even have Type Reduction like Sword(fire) and Axe(Freeze) lol

Not to mention his bad vitality and no shield

[Flabble]

Yea it is... It doesnt even have Type Reduction like Sword(fire) and Axe(Freeze) lol

Not to mention his bad vitality and no shield

worse than vikings?

[Cheesecake]

Yea it is... It doesnt even have Type Reduction like Sword(fire) and Axe(Freeze) lol

Not to mention his bad vitality and no shield

Too badthe Type Reduction on mercs almost mean nothing (well actually there are a few instances where swordies fire resistance really does shine/make me lol). Spears arn't the worst tanks among melees anyways. Pirates are.

[daegoen]

you are all crazy.. spearman is not used for lightning spear.. he is used for AP reduction.. no AP = NO ATTACK almost as good as a stun

as for BT.. i was a sword main until level 104 and my formation was

viking - swordmain - BT
prophet/archer - viking - spearman
monk - shaman/oracle - witch

and with this formation i even pwned DMF + staff mains when everyone else was going nuts trying to stop DMF and staffs..

spearman AP reduction + 2x freeze axe + BT AOE + witch meteor + snipe + flame sword = pvp opponenet dead by round 4 or 5....

and depending on the opponent id sometiomes swap spearman for archer for silence and double snipe..

[RonyKing]

you are all crazy.. spearman is not used for lightning spear.. he is used for AP reduction.. no AP = NO ATTACK almost as good as a stun

as for BT.. i was a sword main until level 104 and my formation was

viking - swordmain - BT
prophet/archer - viking - spearman
monk - shaman/oracle - witch

and with this formation i even pwned DMF + staff mains when everyone else was going nuts trying to stop DMF and staffs..

spearman AP reduction + 2x freeze axe + BT AOE + witch meteor + snipe + flame sword = pvp opponenet dead by round 4 or 5....

and depending on the opponent id sometiomes swap spearman for archer for silence and double snipe..

Lmao Hahahaha What A retard..

Lighting Spear IS AP REDUCTION! Stupid ;P
And ur form is epic faill XD

[daegoen]

epic fail huh?

sure is funny that i never lost a single battle and never died even one time in FL CL or in anytype of fight until I sent some indi and upgraded to spartan and LK..

I personaly think after reading some of your replies on other postings in other subjects as well that you are here strictly to harrass knowlegdable people trying to help.. I met a million people like you who have no life and tats why you suck in games like this but think you are a god..

so you sit at your computer harrasssing people and knocking them because we gave better advice than you so go ahead an ban me or whatever as you are a complete and utter failure as a person.. thats why you just insult and knock others instead of helping like you are supposed too..

im gone and probably not coming back but others can try my formations unless you delete my posts like a bitch and they will see that I know what im talking about as i got my advice from the people on several servers that are ALWAYS in tier 0 and been playing and developing this game since beta..

[RonyKing]

im gone and probably not coming back but others can try my formations unless you delete my posts like a bitch and they will see that I know what im talking about as i got my advice from the people on several servers that are ALWAYS in tier 0 and been playing and developing this game since beta..

Literally, was all that i heard. GOOD BYE !
Gosh, what an immature adult -__-

[Flabble]

you are all crazy.. spearman is not used for lightning spear.. he is used for AP reduction.. no AP = NO ATTACK almost as good as a stun

as for BT.. i was a sword main until level 104 and my formation was

viking - swordmain - BT
prophet/archer - viking - spearman
monk - shaman/oracle - witch

and with this formation i even pwned DMF + staff mains when everyone else was going nuts trying to stop DMF and staffs..

spearman AP reduction + 2x freeze axe + BT AOE + witch meteor + snipe + flame sword = pvp opponenet dead by round 4 or 5....

and depending on the opponent id sometiomes swap spearman for archer for silence and double snipe..

It doesn't work. Witch in back right corner is useless, monk in corner is useless, mass melee is dumb, BT is low class merc, 2 vikings is fail.

Also, any sort of magic will eat you. The sword main is the only guy with any defense, and it won't help you if the other 8 mercs are dead.

However, I will give you some credit. This formation works...in div 16.

[RonyKing]

It doesn't work. Witch in back right corner is useless, monk in corner is useless, mass melee is dumb, BT is low class merc, 2 vikings is fail.

Also, any sort of magic will eat you. The sword main is the only guy with any defense, and it won't help you if the other 8 mercs are dead.

However, I will give you some credit. This formation works...in div 16.

Hes not coming back lol

And i agree with ur last sentence..