Newb Defending

[Wraythe]

How many agree with the practice of Pming newbs during event giveaways to get dragon crystals for WAY below market price.? Even though they are new players why should they not get 2million in crystals. I had a guy offer me 1k for my dragons thats ridiculous. I think it should not be practiced. Someone has to defend the newbs I guess it shall be me

[Kelnari]

It's common practice for any game for people to take advantage of newbs... the only defense is to to stay informed and I always post warnings on the foum around event time. Really though, people should check the market rates before selling items though... even newbs how to do that as the market quest is really early.

(I agree they shouldn't but there are always bottom-feeders...)

[Marisa the Rainmaker]

It is common practice. In Rappelz (and pretty much any other MMO with valuable items acquirable at beginner areas), you'll see vendors trying to buy them off of newbies for deflated prices.

That's not to mention that there's no reason to defend people for a game with such a easy price-checking system - it takes all of 5 seconds to check an item's price on the market, and if a player (even a new one) agrees to sell an item without actually verifying the price, it's entirely their fault if the item ends up selling at lower-than-market prices.

(I don't do it, though.)

[LostCause]

There will always be ppl who would try to buy items at what ever mean they think they can get it at. It might be really bad to prey on the newbs but at the same time he/she agree to sell it at what ever price was offer and not liek he ran in and rob you out right. Like in real like you get an offer you agree the bearing is all on you after that. Plus the market is pretty easy to use so to not be inform on the market prices reflect on the selling for not checking what something is worth be4 agreeing on selling.

[danicrai]

onestly, taking advantage of noobs isnt all that bad for the game because :

- some noobs will leave the game if they struggle with money .. so even getting 1 mil instead of 2 for something that they got for free and they wont need until very late in the game .. a smart noob will get nice gear up to 50 on that money

- some noobs will leave the game anyway because they dont like it .. this way more crystals stay in the game and lower the prices for the rest of us

[LtKillroy]

Since the only thing stopping you is your morals, this is not going to happen. I don't like it, but it is going to happen. Ananomous+Audience=Jerk. (internet)

[Arietta]

its inevitable, some people just cant help making money in any way possible

[leawen]

I kind of agree with danicrai as to the fact say a newb gets on gets his free crystals then stops play for what ever reason .. thouse crystals are lost in his packs or deleted .. even though I don't think its right to cheat them out of a fair price I like to see the crystals get used as its afar easier to get gold then it is to get dragon crystal drops :)

[zerokio]

even if they receive free items and quit, at least they won't affect the market economy.
it's true that whispering noobs in search of cheap giveaway items but still, that's low.

[bakedpotato]

You can always do your part and inform the new players by posting on the forum. When they gave out golden tusks a few days ago. There were people buying it for 1K each...

[verastra]

what i can say is that

Each to his own

if you think you are a bad player and like to con people...then you are

if you think you are a good player that likes to help people but miss out on getting something valuable you are...

either way its your choice,i dont see any wrong to it as im neutral where as i dont help and i dont con..plainly said,i just dont dare what people have..im gonna get it my way

*starts to immitate Naruto lines*

ITS MY NINJA WAY!

lol

[Newell]

Never thought about that. Shame those power potions are not tradeable!

Is it really ripping off if the other person is thinking they are getting a good deal? :)

[kaiser99]

haha, i think mostly of the time... nub need to learn to read and dont act on impulse...

[HardcoreGamer]

Don't bother to post on the forums... I doubt any newbie reads it.

And I gotta agree it is pretty low... well, then again, some ppl just don't care as long as it is quick money =/

That is how the world goes, how sad.

[Ferishi]

Kinda hard to defend newbies from this when you can't spy on other peoples' PMs and trades and the newbies don't come to the forums, anyways. Their loss.

[HardcoreGamer]

There is a way... post up at the advert! Say dun sell things to suspicious buyers, lol.

... But I guarantee you will get rotten eggs thrown at you.

[Newell]

I'll scam noobies. If they are happy. I mean, I won't rip them off totally, but 100k for a item that costs way more, that 100k with get them through level 25-30.

Personally, I hold on to everything I get, if I like the game I'll join the forum and read and read and read and read. I learned my lesson in Lineage where I sold mats for dirt cheap and then I figured out the prices.

[Krullthor]

Its part of every game, theres always someone trying to "scam" the noobs, but after playing a few online games you start learning and even if your new to the game you know you better check info and market prices if possible before selling anything you find.
I guess its part of the game, chances are youll get scamed once and learn from it.

[HardcoreGamer]

Except for this game, which I like imensely, is their market system.
You can check for every single market price, you totally cant go wrong there.

[bakedpotato]

Except for this game, which I like imensely, is their market system.
You can check for every single market price, you totally cant go wrong there.

Yes. The first thing every new players must learn is the "Rates" function. I wonder why it wasn't part of a quest or something.

[Kiena]

Yes. The first thing every new players must learn is the "Rates" function. I wonder why it wasn't part of a quest or something.

Rates don't tell you anything. They're somehow averaged across multiple types of items (i.e., staffs are averaged with axes, which we know aren't going for the same price). Only actually looking at what there currently is on the market will let you know how much stuff is actually going for.

[HardcoreGamer]

... What he meant by rates is the "Rates" button which shows the current market price, I think...

What you were saying... averaged across multiple type of items... is actually what we called fixed price. That, my friend, is the cost of crafting those items (applicable to weapons and equips) if using materials of fixed price.

[Spydermage]

i got my first lesson on online scam when i played RO long long long time ago. then on... i have learnt to be smart. the more someone tries to convince me to sell him the item, the more fishy it is. i will do my due dilligence to do a quick check with other players.

in case of AO, there is always market place to check with...

[Samwise93]

Let's try to take this from a newb perspective. How bout you personally started over and got those crystals knowing what you know now. Don't you think its only right that you don't constantly get pm'd or nagged to sell them for an extremely lower price. The only thing that is the difference is experience and I think that people shouldn't encourage stupidity. *Sighs* the only problem is the inevitability of it all...

[Wraythe]

I agree Sam. and when you are level 3,4 you have NO ACCESS to the market you havent even seen a town yet. I got a PM when I was level 2 when the first dragon crystal give away started. so how would i know the prices. Obviously this was an alt and I knew from prior experiance. the point is i dont believe in scamming newbs, someone needs to defend the oblivious.

[HardcoreGamer]

Access to the market starts at lvl 3, btw.Scamming noobs is evil, it is low, but there is tons of ppl out there doing it. You made a point there when you said they are using and alt, they are using it as to not lose face... ppl nowadays >.<

[Spydermage]

even so... how are you going to defend the newb? other than education, what else? you cant certainly be there at newb island to keep spamming warning of scam. what we can do is just to make sure we dont do that ourselves.

[HardcoreGamer]

Lol, suggest to the GMs to put up like a warning notice whenever ppl pm you. Like "Please don't disclose credit card info blah blah blah...". It can be added like "Please beware of scam and check market prices constantly."

[Aura]

wow i never knew ppl will pm lowbies for these dragon crystals...
i never sold things till i know the use of them and price of them XD

[Arietta]

wow i never knew ppl will pm lowbies for these dragon crystals...
i never sold things till i know the use of them and price of them XD

you would think most people would be like you... but sadly some people dont realize that.

[bakedpotato]

... What he meant by rates is the "Rates" button which shows the current market price, I think...

What you were saying... averaged across multiple type of items... is actually what we called fixed price. That, my friend, is the cost of crafting those items (applicable to weapons and equips) if using materials of fixed price.

Thats what I meant, the "Rates" button which shows the current market price.
Anyway, I don't believe in scamming noobs. However, if they do get scammed I think in the long run its best for them. Maybe then they'll learn and be smart about it.

[Ruggan]

The only way you get wise to that sort of thing is by experiencing it first hand

[Mersey]

I've only been scammed once in an MMORPG and that was something like 8-9 years ago in UO, I learned my lesson after that one mistake. Do your homework per se, and don't trust anyone who offers you anything for a price and you'll be alright. Lets say you invented something, and out of the blue someone approaches you and offers you $200,000 for said invention, if you had any logical capacity the first thought that goes through your head should be "Well this is worth $200,000 to this guy, but this could be worth $2,000,000 to someone else...I should probably hold on to this until I do some more research." You are the only person on this planet who knows what your best interest is, anyone else claiming to is misguided. Skepticism is fantastic, it gets a negative rap, but there is nothing wrong with applied critical reasoning.

So I think people should be free to "scam" by offering to buy things from others for less than what they are worth, even if you do get "scammed" it's a win/win situation if you learn from it. I personally would never shy someone, it goes against every moral/ethical principle I hold dear, but more power to anyone that has no such moral reservations, in the end the victim (if you can even call them that) had the final say in the matter by virtue of being free to choose.

[XaatXuun]

having a tutorial how to use the rate function, would be nice, but from what I have seen . . there still only be mmMmm about 3% that actually read it, and learn from.
So many times I have seen in Peers, or chat .. a question is asked "how to do ??" when they already had a quest that told them how .
I think a couple tutorial quest should be a lil sooner, but besides that . This game has a great tutorial system, and a reference to back on .. called "GAME INFO" . . which I like to call the big book.

Some player's I guess would rather be told then learn from reading.

You will never get away from scammers, Since where I live it is against the law to shoot or hang them. So there is no way to get away from them. Just ignore them.
If someone offers me what looks like good $$ for a item, when I start a new game, I do become suspicious what it's really worth, as some of you, I learned my lesson from previous games.

I am not sure if there would be a way to protect a newb from such scams, but make items "no trade" would be the only possible way.

[Bilge]

it takes all of 5 seconds to check an item's price on the market

I don't know if this has already been said, but you don't even need to go to the market to check rates. Alt+P.