What Merc. to get at lvl 50?

[Deaff]

Im a bow main and im looking for suggestions on what my next merc should be when i turn lvl 50. im really into pvp and am looking at an endgame build so im looking for a merc that will be sure to stay.

current build:
:spm::swm::vik:
:arc::malehero::arc:
:empty::mnk::sha:

[Locksley]

wait til lvl 57 to get exo. in the meantime u could replace the lone spear with BT

[Aeolia]

Im a bow main and im looking for suggestions on what my next merc should be when i turn lvl 50. im really into pvp and am looking at an endgame build so im looking for a merc that will be sure to stay.

current build:
:spm::swm::vik:
:arc::malehero::arc:
:empty::mnk::sha:

My formation is Lv. 66, waiting 'till prophet, right now it's like this:

:vik::bst::exo:
:arc::arc::mnk:
:sha::mnk::malehero:

At higher levels you can get good gear for your main (after wings etc.) and switch his and exo's spot.

Switch Oracle for shaman
Hwrang for 1 archer
Prophet for 1 archer
Druid for viking
Spartan for BT
LadyKnight OR Iventor for Exo IF like Locksley pointed out and very well, you're NOT DMF'ing.

All of the above require tweaks in the formation, then you're done.

[Locksley]

you do not replace exo with LK. the two actually serve different purposes.

LK can only tank, and to a certain extent, spike with light slash (pirate does spiking better at the expense of lower survivability).

Exo has mana seal & speedcast, and there is NO replacement for those 2 skills. (unlike how jani can replace gunner for stun pressure, or how oracle can replace shaman in healing, etc. do note that in the examples given, the mercs still pretty much serve similar/same purposes).

[Aeolia]

you do not replace exo with LK. the two actually serve different purposes.

LK can only tank, and to a certain extent, spike with light slash (pirate does spiking better at the expense of lower survivability).

Exo has mana seal & speedcast, and there is NO replacement for those 2 skills. (unlike how jani can replace gunner for stun pressure, or how oracle can replace shaman in healing, etc. do note that in the examples given, the mercs still pretty much serve similar/same purposes).

Depends in what he's looking for, if he goes DMF, he might want to keep the exo, but if he needs pressure, LK or Pirate are the key. Janni also has purpose if he wants to go pure range, but his use can be week compared to Exo, not as much if you compare to LK or Pirate's purpose.

BTW Tweaked formation for this after getting wings and Lv. 68:

:bst::vik::malehero:
:arc::exo::mnk:
:sha::mnk::arc:

If you want to go PVE and PVP, you might want to swap one monk (if you have 1 with protect and 1 with SoP switch out the protect one, althought most successful DMF's are double SoP monks) for a gunner since DMF works little to no good against Environment, make sure you level both tho, and concentrate more in the PvP build's levels and gear unless you can afford for all, also swap the monk in the middle, never the one in the backrow.

[RonyKing]

Depends in what he's looking for, if he goes DMF, he might want to keep the exo, but if he needs pressure, LK or Pirate are the key. Janni also has purpose if he wants to go pure range, but his use can be week compared to Exo, not as much if you compare to LK or Pirate's purpose.

BTW Tweaked formation for this after getting wings and Lv. 68:

:bst::vik::malehero:
:arc::exo::mnk:
:sha::mnk::arc:

If you want to go PVE and PVP, you might want to swap one monk (if you have 1 with protect and 1 with SoP switch out the protect one, althought most successful DMF's are double SoP monks) for a gunner since DMF works little to no good against Environment, make sure you level both tho, and concentrate more in the PvP build's levels and gear unless you can afford for all, also swap the monk in the middle, never the one in the backrow.

LOL, He Might As well Go for The FailPhoenix Form....


:exo:Druid:malehero:
Hwarang:pro::mnk:
:spt::mnk::ora:

Seriously....what is up with her in putting Exo in front?

[Locksley]

@ Ronyking

exo easier to heal due to higher mdef despite his lower hp. the spartan becomes the backup tank instead. Most people like to put the one with more hp in front, but I have seen people pick exo instead for his relatively-high-for-melee-merc-mdef.

@ Aeolia

- Exo applies pressure by sealing off healing at the right time, and actually making things like debuff stick. in the long term, he pressures better than LK. I used to like exo-less people. I used to stun them all the time once the monk fails to keep up with constant stun pressure due to lack of speedcast. until I hit lvl 100 and starting moving beyond div 6. You seem to be underestimating his dual purpose in pressuring opponent+keeping YOU unstunned.

- I dun get it when you mentioned pure range.

- whats with lvl 68 and wings (if your intention was saying can only tank with IM stuff, its lvl 70 when you can use the best ones)? For me, the difference was in the lvl 80 main rings. At lvl 80+, I could start to tank in front with spearmaster rings, with NO outfit, NO wings, NO mount. Those dun really make such a huge difference, as I've felt it a couple of times when I deposit outfit+mount into clothes/mount book and forgot to withdraw them for pve purposes. and then I pop into pvp with no IM items.

- ALL successful DMFs are SoP+protect. dual SoP DO NOT STACK.

[Aeolia]

@ Ronyking

exo easier to heal due to higher mdef despite his lower hp. the spartan becomes the backup tank instead. Most people like to put the one with more hp in front, but I have seen people pick exo instead for his relatively-high-for-melee-merc-mdef.

@ Aeolia

- Exo applies pressure by sealing off healing at the right time, and actually making things like debuff stick. in the long term, he pressures better than LK. I used to like exo-less people. I used to stun them all the time once the monk fails to keep up with constant stun pressure due to lack of speedcast. until I hit lvl 100 and starting moving beyond div 6. You seem to be underestimating his dual purpose in pressuring opponent+keeping YOU unstunned.

- I dun get it when you mentioned pure range.

- whats with lvl 68 and wings (if your intention was saying can only tank with IM stuff, its lvl 70 when you can use the best ones)? For me, the difference was in the lvl 80 main rings. At lvl 80+, I could start to tank in front with spearmaster rings, with NO outfit, NO wings, NO mount. Those dun really make such a huge difference, as I've felt it a couple of times when I deposit outfit+mount into clothes/mount book and forgot to withdraw them for pve purposes. and then I pop into pvp with no IM items.

- ALL successful DMFs are SoP+protect. dual SoP DO NOT STACK.

Well, that's why I said IF you're not planning to DMF you can remove EXO, if you're a DMF user then using Exo is ALMOST mandatory unless you're "DMF'ing with Punisher/Saw Main" so yeah, Exo is very good but implies you have a 4th tank even tho it can and probably will at higher levels, your main. Even tho I DO NOT disregard mana seal, it's awesome specially when you can render one monk useless since most DMF's have 1 monk in middle row if not all of them, plus, Mana Seal + Silence alternated = PAIN. Also, not disregarding Silence's second attribute of lowering def.

Pure range is dumb tactics, means control by only range characters, hwrang + prophet + princess + 2 gunners etc = fail formation IMHO.

And yeah, my wings are Hydra's (normal, not invincible), my brother in law gave them to me for birthday even tho It'll only be March 20th, plus I also bought a +10 Osiris Bow, I know I can't use neither yet, but I like to enforce myself before I reach 70 so I am prepared as soon as I level, my equip is all around +5 BK's in all chars to the exception of of weapons which I am for 7+ or 8+ Bk's right now, btw to those who wonder, yes I wasted 129 mill in a bow. My paycheck allows me to usually waste around 50$ in atlantica monthly and not feel it.

Yeah I'm not Lv. 80 yet so I can't get the rings even tho they are lovely ^^ neither have bought them yet. Planning on getting a Sabretooth first. But if you're very IM rigged, you will notice the difference, and in some situations, mount and wings, so will your opponent.

Well, bottom line, I agree with everything you said, but DMF or no DMF IMHO allows you to Exo or no Exo. Matter of choice, you can even add Inventor for the hell of it.

Finally, you can use the argument "you're level 68 what do you know?", well I had a the account my brother in law is using now (lvl 120 was 103 at the time) but I quit Atlantica. Came back now, and as usual, taking the game slowly, step by step, because I'm not in a hurry to level, like most people who want lvl 130 in 1 day lol, seriously, relax and enjoy the ride, not the end of it.

[Locksley]

Well, that's why I said IF you're not planning to DMF you can remove EXO, if you're a DMF user then using Exo is ALMOST mandatory unless you're "DMF'ing with Punisher/Saw Main" so yeah, Exo is very good but implies you have a 4th tank even tho it can and probably will at higher levels, your main. Even tho I DO NOT disregard mana seal, it's awesome specially when you can render one monk useless since most DMF's have 1 monk in middle row if not all of them, plus, Mana Seal + Silence alternated = PAIN. Also, not disregarding Silence's second attribute of lowering def.

- My point was that a single monk is in even bigger trouble than DMF without the exo, unless you have some sort of backup in the form of punisher (saw main doesn't count). The main thing is speedcast, because a monk's AP regen sucks, even if you don't intend to use mana seal a lot.

- Assuming one does intend to do well in pvp, and not be stuck at the lower end of divisions for your lvl and stay at higher tiers of competition consistently, exo is pretty much mandatory, no matter the number of monks.

- When at higher levels, defence goes up by the thousands, def debuff does NOTHING to you.

And yeah, my wings are Hydra's (normal, not invincible), my brother in law gave them to me for birthday even tho It'll only be March 20th, plus I also bought a +10 Osiris Bow, I know I can't use neither yet, but I like to enforce myself before I reach 70 so I am prepared as soon as I level, my equip is all around +5 BK's in all chars to the exception of of weapons which I am for 7+ or 8+ Bk's right now, btw to those who wonder, yes I wasted 129 mill in a bow. My paycheck allows me to usually waste around 50$ in atlantica monthly and not feel it.

Yeah I'm not Lv. 80 yet so I can't get the rings even tho they are lovely ^^ neither have bought them yet. Planning on getting a Sabretooth first. But if you're very IM rigged, you will notice the difference, and in some situations, mount and wings, so will your opponent.

- The rings are easier and cheaper to get.

Well, bottom line, I agree with everything you said, but DMF or no DMF IMHO allows you to Exo or no Exo. Matter of choice, you can even add Inventor for the hell of it.

- the guy said he's really into pvp. If thats the case, you don't add a merc for the hell of it w/o considering if the merc complements the overall strategy and playing style of the player and his intended formation.

Finally, you can use the argument "you're level 68 what do you know?", well I had a the account my brother in law is using now (lvl 120 was 103 at the time) but I quit Atlantica. Came back now, and as usual, taking the game slowly, step by step, because I'm not in a hurry to level, like most people who want lvl 130 in 1 day lol, seriously, relax and enjoy the ride, not the end of it.

- Sure, take your time to lvl. I lvl kinda slow too and I dun really like the quests anymore. The thing is, if you dun try playing more often with ur bro's lvl 120 account (assuming the account is still there, I know some ppl who delete their accounts), most likely, you prolly wouldn't know first-hand how lvl 100+ pvp is like. Its pretty difference compared to lvl 68.

- I have faced more than enough of IM rigged people to get the feel of how much difference mount, wings, decoration makes. I've killed sabertooth riders with hydra wings while leaving my mount+clothes in mount & clothes book (I dun have wings btw, the pve boost I get doesn't feel worth shelling out the money for them. Gearing up with that same money feels more worth it). The hydra winged-sabertooth riders don't feel a lot more "tougher". One could most likely attribute that to armor catching up with the stats on the mount.

e.g. a full set of walachia gear+0 for a staff main (lvl 50) cannot match the sabertooth in def. but when you can get divine gear or above, your gear is that much better than the mount and at a lower cost.

[Cheesecake]

@Aeolia, 50$ a month? seriosly? just to uber gear up? You dont even need amazing gears for the first 95 lvls or so -.-. I made it through to lvl 97 on my first char with +0-2 armor and +4-5 weapons tops :/. Made it to lvl 70 in less then a month without even trying, and not spending anything on IM. Sorry, i just have a thing against IMers. -.-

[Aeolia]

@Aeolia, 50$ a month? seriosly? just to uber gear up? You dont even need amazing gears for the first 95 lvls or so -.-. I made it through to lvl 97 on my first char with +0-2 armor and +4-5 weapons tops :/. Made it to lvl 70 in less then a month without even trying, and not spending anything on IM. Sorry, i just have a thing against IMers. -.-

It's ok, but since the game is free, it's also my way to contribute to the game, even tho I get something out of it. I get 3000 dollars a month, I can give 50$ for a game I highly enjoy and kills free time. Even tho, I don't have many.

I'm lv. 69 and I've played this Atlantica for 2 weeks (2 weeks tomorrow)... So one month seems... You know... A lot?

Sabretooth will last me 'till lvl 130, same with Hydra wings, at higher level equips makes no point in upgrading from second best, to best, 2.1 billion for "not much difference" in stats? No thanks... Plus, the reason my gear is BK +5 till +10 is because that gear will last me till 80's, got it at 50's... so... Also, it's an invesment that I will get back in the future dollar by dollar, think about it. Gearing up if you have the money for it, IS IMHO, TOTALLY WORTH IT, assuming the prices are correct! you will ALWAYS get your money back when you no longer need it, PLUS, you can even get to re-sell it for higher prices, it's like my Exo, I bought the lowest marble I could get, BEFORE I did the quest, I did the Exo quest with Exo in party, he leveled through it, when I got the marble, I sold it, got a earlier Exo and +2M when I sold it. Invest and refund! The way to go.

@ Locksley, I agree with ALL your points except the mount/hydra wings, if 2 people have the same divine gear or closer, the mount + wings do make the difference don't you agree? Given both players are around same skill level, one with wings and mount, one without or much lower levels I.E. Sabretooth + Hydra vs Hackney + Lucifer's or none.

[Cheesecake]

@ Locksley, I agree with ALL your points except the mount/hydra wings, if 2 people have the same divine gear or closer, the mount + wings do make the difference don't you agree? Given both players are around same skill level, one with wings and mount, one without or much lower levels I.E. Sabretooth + Hydra vs Hackney + Lucifer's or none.

In the late lvls, it makes a difference, but not a huge difference, just a small edge :P. Still i guess every edge helps, though i find mounts are helpful, i find for wings, i'd rather sell them, and get better gears for all my mercs rather then just making my main more jacked then he already is. :/

[Aeolia]

In the late lvls, it makes a difference, but not a huge difference, just a small edge :P. Still i guess every edge helps, though i find mounts are helpful, i find for wings, i'd rather sell them, and get better gears for all my mercs rather then just making my main more jacked then he already is. :/

Also a VERY good point since at higher levels, your Main is usually, the last to die, and the cost of wings can really give you a good ammount of gold to invest in gear. (depending what gear).

[Cheesecake]

Starting with Conq and higher gear starts costing a bitch load of money X.x. Gold dragon costs a lot too, but most people skip it and just w8 for conq. Personally, i have a +6 gold dragon ranged top and +5 GD gauntlets on my main, sick like 250m right there lol...

[Deaff]

I am now lvl 61 with the current formation:

:malehero::bst::vik:
:sha::mnk::arc:
:mnk::arc::exo:

im planning to take out the shaman for a princess at 63, one archer for a prophet at 70, and everything else at 100+.

how far do you think that will get me? im currently lvl 61 Div. 11 Delphi server.

[Locksley]

nooo keep shaman!!

[Deaff]

ahh Locksley. Wish you couldve told me sooner. I ended up firing the shaman. Was that a bad idea? I didnt even get the princess. I felt like I wasnt killing mercs fast enough in FL. So I ended up trading out the shaman for another viking =X It looked interesting to me because of the dual freezes. And it will become more effective after I get the prophet at 70. However, I was watching Div 1 matches in FL/CL and I noticed most of them did have an oracle in their party. So what do you think I should do?

Lvl 64 Div 11 Delphi Server
:malehero::bst::vik:
:arc::mnk::arc:
:mnk::exo::vik:

and also. Im debating if I should keep the DMF or not. Asking for opinions. Will DMF get me farther in FL?

[Zilpzalp]

If you ask me, firing that shaman was a REALLY bad idea. But the worse one was to take a second Viking. There's several reasons for that.

First, only one Viking can upgrade to Northern Viking. Any Viking besides Northern Viking is kinda useless in my opinion (with that mdef, they really tend to fall fast).

And, yes, if you can get a hole into the FRONT line of the enemy (which should not be too hard with the Archers), it might have some uses. Might. But really. If you've gotten that far, other things should be your priority. I don't use Freezing Axe/Ice Ridge Axe as often as possible in the latter half of the game. It feels like a wasted turn, really. The probability of that second freeze being essential really is slim, so you don't get too much out of that second Bluetooth Viking.

But the downsides of the Bluetooth Viking still remain. If the foe wants to, he can kill him really fast. Also, his HK regeneration sucks. Two Vikings in one Row WILL be a victim of Lightning Spear abuse.

Also, with three axes besides your bows (from which, two have low AP regen), I can't see how you can pressure your foe at all if he uses Family Signet. That's just my noobness though, I almost don't know anything at all. So I'm sure I wrote wrong things here, so just correct me if you find something.

[Cheesecake]

If you ask me, firing that shaman was a REALLY bad idea. But the worse one was to take a second Viking. There's several reasons for that.

First, only one Viking can upgrade to Northern Viking. Any Viking besides Northern Viking is kinda useless in my opinion (with that mdef, they really tend to fall fast).

And, yes, if you can get a hole into the FRONT line of the enemy (which should not be too hard with the Archers), it might have some uses. Might. But really. If you've gotten that far, other things should be your priority. I don't use Freezing Axe/Ice Ridge Axe as often as possible in the latter half of the game. It feels like a wasted turn, really. The probability of that second freeze being essential really is slim, so you don't get too much out of that second Bluetooth Viking.

But the downsides of the Bluetooth Viking still remain. If the foe wants to, he can kill him really fast. Also, his HK regeneration sucks. Two Vikings in one Row WILL be a victim of Lightning Spear abuse.

Also, with three axes besides your bows (from which, two have low AP regen), I can't see how you can pressure your foe at all if he uses Family Signet. That's just my noobness though, I almost don't know anything at all. So I'm sure I wrote wrong things here, so just correct me if you find something.

Bows have good ap regen whachya talkin about :P. And with a snipe formation, your supposed to use the bows sniping power to your advantage. Take out the ranged mercs, the monk, shit like that :P. Ditch the viking, pick up an oracle when you can, change 1 archer to prophet, BT to spartan when you hit lvl 100 and have the money, then your basically good :P

[Zilpzalp]

I meant the two vikings, not the bows.

[Deaff]

Lvl 73 Bow Main. Div 10. Delphi Server.

Opinions and criticism accepted.

:exo::malehero::bst:
:arc::vik::gun:
:prn::mnk::pro:

[Locksley]

honestly...I prefer shaman > princess. and I'd rather have viking than exo in front.