Art vs Cannon

[cfk]

Noticed that a lot of high level competitive pvpers use arts instead of cannons. Was wondering if anyone up there had any thoughts on this...

From what I can tell myself:

Needless to say, Cannon stats are all better than it's lower class counterpart.
Skillwise, theres the main AOE debuff/dot:


(Once again exact stats are from 9/22 and probably different, but close relatively)
Deep Insight
[LV] [HP-] [Atk-] [Def-] [MP cost]
1___ -95__ -120_ -300___ 78
21__ -215_ -80__ -500___ 138
41__ -335_ -40__ -700___ 198
61__ -455__ 0___-900___ 258
70__ -509_ 18__ -990___ 285

Smoke Bomb
[lv] [hp-] [accuracy-] [mp cost]
1 -95 -2% 78
21 -215 -10% 138
41 -335 -18% 198
61 -455 -26% 258
70 -509 -29% 285


For one thing, the attack- at higher levels is a bit confusing on the DI.

And of course if anyone wants to share how well -def works to -accuracy.

Edit: And the HP checking aspect of DI isn't a huge factor for me with HP lic's.

[methane]

Cannons and Art probably wont have much diff since prophet are like a must in most formation. Therefore cannon's smoke bomb really only does affect the range units since prophet nicely neutralized the negative accuracy with concentration. However i believe cannon would be better due to its more useful aoe skills and slightly better stats than arts. Also cannoner looks much more man in my sense.

[jesada89237]

If you have both a cannoneer and an artillery, you can take out the prophet quickly and stack deep insight and smoke bomb.

[Ferishi]

Better yet, use a cannoneer and a cannon-main. The latter seems to have better stats than an artilleryman.

[aphrodite]

even if there's a prophet, ur cannoneer will just cancel their prophet's concentration, they will miss ^^
the only flaw w/ cannon is that dragon crystal cost... >.> but that shouldn't b a prob @ high lvls

[Marisa the Rainmaker]

Cannons can also combo Bombing Campaign with princess. Sure, it doesn't do THAT much damage per-se, but in AoE pressure teams, it's a very nice way to add extra pressure against the commonly seen cannon mains.

[cfk]

Cannons can also combo Bombing Campaign with princess. Sure, it doesn't do THAT much damage per-se, but in AoE pressure teams, it's a very nice way to add extra pressure against the commonly seen cannon mains.

Only hits the targets that are hit by the princess seal, so it doesn't contribute that much in sense of a 9-man AOE. In the rare occasion you have 3 cannons, yeah it'd work to cut them down quick but...

[AtsushiHayami]

well both deal a lot of AOE dmg so maybe a Canoneer and a Cannon main wil ldo the job

[Marisa the Rainmaker]

I'm referring to cannon mains, though, not cannon mercenaries. In a somewhat range-focused team, it's not really a bad idea to drop a bombing campaign on a cannon main and either force the monk to waste HG on the last row, or wittle down the main's HP enough for one arrow to kill him. Same goes for archer mains, which do pop up now and then in PvP.

It is situational, but the utility is definitely still there.

[Vrael]

also for the bombing campain, you would have to have princess in your formation obviously, and who really wants to do that when there are far better replacements

[Arietta]

I'm referring to cannon mains, though, not cannon mercenaries. In a somewhat range-focused team, it's not really a bad idea to drop a bombing campaign on a cannon main and either force the monk to waste HG on the last row, or wittle down the main's HP enough for one arrow to kill him. Same goes for archer mains, which do pop up now and then in PvP.

It is situational, but the utility is definitely still there.

i thought cannoneers were the only ones allowed to activate that combo, not cannon mains

[Kyujaku]

Well i've been thinking about this decision for a long time. I got a gun main and was seriously which one i should get seeing as im going for a 2gun, one cannon type of range stun awsomeness. I just turned 30 and still cant decide which to get. I was thinking cannon for the SB and use Scorching bullets for some major dmg with my main. But you never know O.o

Make build look something like this?
:malehero::vik::swm:
[blank]:can:[blank]
:arc::sha::mnk:

?

[Taikan]

well... artys have deadly shot, which imo is very good :P... let em send a goodbye present and drag someone to hell with em xD

since arty/cannoneer are kinda squishy (and archers seem to be fond of em), pulling of that deadly shot is not that rare or difficult... so thats why i'd rather have an arty :D

[Flabble]

However, SB is a little bit more powerful than DI, and -Def isn't going to do much, as everyone is skill spamming their enemies to heck.

And lets be honest, the Cannoneer is so much cooler looking than the arty (have you seen him dodge :-0