View Full Version : Sword Main: So Good or No Good?
So we know the sword main is one of the weaker mains available. It doesn't have freezing axe, it can only hit one opponent per attack, it doesn't get flame sword resistance, and Dark Seed is considered pretty weak. However, it gets a shield which means more survivability, and survivability is pretty useful in pvp.
So the question is, even if a sword main isn't top-tier, is it at least competitive? i.e. is the difference between a sword main and an axe/cannon main insurmountable, or is it just that a sword main is at a slight disadvantage?
Kaiten
11-20-2008, 05:15 PM
Hah what....swords with freezing axe? swords...axe...hmmm
Anyways (hopefully you don't take offense to that). Yes shields add def+vit/hp. I would think that Axe main gain the ability to use freezing axe and this takes away from the need of the oh so crumbly viking in formation.
As for cannon, it removes the need for an arty merc carrying deep insight (though it may still help in its cross attack).
Swords...it's just that when you compare swords with its merc, you're better off with the merc. (reason found in an article on site :Main or Merc?") So essentially, your main won't be able to tank flame sword but is carrying the position of a swordsman.
When compared to other mercs, the flame sword is equivalent to a swordsman which means that a merc would have been better if you'd really like one. The defense may be higher but an axe main has a higher hp count and I'm not sure about cannons.
kaiser99
11-20-2008, 07:12 PM
I have a sword main and...
In the forum i found... sword(main)'s stats.... have never surpass the swordsman's stats...
That mean... a lvl100 sword and a lvl100 sword(main) with no eq no vial nothing, the swordsman would perform better... statswise..
Teesa
11-20-2008, 09:06 PM
True, only thing about swords is that they are tanks with shields, but at higher levels u can buy guardian stones which i feel adds defence
kaiser99
11-20-2008, 10:28 PM
Erm, guardian stones can only be equiped on the offhand slot.. which is the shield slot for swordsman/LK/SPARTA!!
HolyDot
11-20-2008, 10:48 PM
i run a sword main build.. it's been a norm for me to be a bait in pvp as ppl focus on my main in front and i switch once my hp falls below 30% and heal up real quick(monk+prophet), this take them 2-3turns to deal that damage and i would haf poke a hole in their front line with 2 of my spearmen.. won a FL game against a lv83 sword main with this strategy
however, im still gonna switch axe main when i get to lv80..:D
kaiser99
11-20-2008, 11:26 PM
Ya... i am also think of changing to cannon or axe main...
Sword main dont really have anthing special... and if the enemy dont take your bait... sword is just another tank that lose its purpose...
Kaiten
11-21-2008, 05:53 AM
Oh no, not another axe main =P
Playing as bait? By placing main at mid, you open yourself to melee but if the opponent did have a strong ranged backup, You'd come close to losing. I wonder...if you change your main, is it that everything , skill and such is refunded? or is stats still fixed at what it was?
Zpirit
11-21-2008, 12:59 PM
I wonder...if you change your main, is it that everything , skill and such is refunded? or is stats still fixed at what it was?
Skills are refunded, Stats are fixed. I would hate having to buy all those growth vials again lol...
Locksley
11-22-2008, 04:43 AM
can't go anywhere without seeing an axe main nowadays.
Kelnari
11-22-2008, 06:59 AM
I would wait for the first massive update tentatively scheduled for next month before re-rolling. Supposedly going to balance quite a bit and add some new main-only abilities to make them outshine mercs. (as they should) Also going to be B class mercs so that ought to mix things up quite a bit. Who knows, maybe my staff will be good for sumthin soon... :P
Kaiten
11-22-2008, 09:35 AM
If there's gonna be balance and they choose to nerf axes, we'll probably see a ton more cannons spitting out from the new characters department.
Actually the devs said they're gonna be adding new main-only skills (http://atlantica.ndoorsgames.com/center/ATForum/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=8659&posts=59#M77884) so that the mains can "lead the mercs" instead of the other way around. Hopefully there might be something decent for sword mains.
LostCause
11-24-2008, 11:17 AM
I hope the massive update they are planning to realease in the near future turns out to be some major update as in new content skills and lots of class balancing. As it stand now 7/10 match i fight, it is vs an axe main. At this rate maybe one day all i will see is axe main in my matches.
As for sword they seem to shine b4 lv 80 due to their higher def but after lv 80 with guardian stone it kinda took away their 1 and only advantage. The xtra def.
MiaFLSurf
11-25-2008, 01:40 PM
Yea... like many, when starting the game I went with a swordie cuz they are always so easy and cool to use...
Now I feel like I made a huge mistake doing that. :(
Marisa the Rainmaker
11-25-2008, 03:06 PM
I'm more hoping that they actually fix the sword main's stats. New skills (most likely copies of existing ones with different animation) really won't bridge such a large gap in sheer damage potential unless if the sword main get some form of improved flame sword.
kaiser99
11-25-2008, 08:18 PM
I am a sword too, but even if we get a improved flame sword... what about our points that is already in flame sword... >.<
Taikan
11-26-2008, 03:36 AM
maybe they will compaensate with skill refund book giveaways xD!!
And i don't think swordie is THAT bad... u still have a tank that can act as a fire trap in your front row (draws enemy fire... then switches back)... and its still better than mercs by those main only equips; also protect+concetration (prophet skill... not sure if i'm right) can buff him up quite a bit, improving his survival rate a lot, making him a decent tank... or u could go dual monks and use SoP+Protect... or double protect xD and buff him to uber tank lvl (just a whacky thought... maybe it works)
maybe they will compaensate with skill refund book giveaways xD!!
And i don't think swordie is THAT bad... u still have a tank that can act as a fire trap in your front row (draws enemy fire... then switches back)
That's a terrible plan in pvp. You'll just get killed by their archers.
no archer worth her arrow would even dare to focus on a sword main without killing the monk hahaha.
as for sword mains and guardian stones the only problem i see is that mains dont get flame sword resistance like their merc counterparts do >.<...guardian stones dont add magic def or stats.
anyways as a sword main you would want to keep the main infront and get the taj(lvl 50) rings and the necro(lvl 80) rings as soon as possible.if you are a sword main and u keep yuour main in back its bad because swords are for tanking ...they dont have utility skills like axe/archer nor are they pure dps like spear or stun like gun/art.
lets see what the devs bring up as main only skills ^^
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