Mass spears, would itwork?

[Taikan]

after trying a gunner cookie cutter build... i thought about exporting the idea to a spear build.

sword/sword/sword or spear/spear/spear
spear/spear/spear
monk/archer/shaman

change shaman for oracle, archer fir prophet, sword for lk or other tank mercs

but what about going 2 rows of spears? any1 thinks it would work?

[jesada89237]

Your formation would be more likely to last longer if your front row was swordsmen with a lady knight, and the second row consisting of spearmen. Or, for a tasteless idea, you could run a front row of full tanks and have th second row consist of two spearmen with an axe main.

[Jimsta]

after trying a gunner cookie cutter build... i thought about exporting the idea to a spear build.

sword/sword/sword or spear/spear/spear
spear/spear/spear
monk/archer/shaman

change shaman for oracle, archer fir prophet, sword for lk or other tank mercs

but what about going 2 rows of spears? any1 thinks it would work?

Make frontline tanks,
Midrow spears
Back monk, (either viking[axe main maybe?],witch,exo,prophet), oracle which focuses on seth will and healing (maybe a 50:50 ratio)

For the last spot on bottom, it's really whatever you prefer. Sure prophet is ok since it has concentrate, but do you really need a bow type merc when you can have an exo which can act like a tank if one gets on low hp and has mana seal, or maybe you can get a witch for meteor, or a viking for freezing.

It's really your preference, but tbh I wouldn't go with prophet, even with a heavy meele team in pvp it doesn't help that much.

[Demon]

If you were doing that you'd be brutal willing and seths rite? mainly relying on that...
but if a witch comes by mana trap..
gg =/

[Flexor]

change ur shaman to prophet and its good to go

[Axiom]

:spm::spm::spm:
:spm::spm::spm:
:sha::malehero::ora:

Do this with a spear main. Then brutal will the front row and seth's will the middle row. I have no idea if this would be viable at all in pvp, but it would certainly be entertaining.

[Taikan]

i was thinking massed lightning spear attacks drain a lot of ap from the enemy, eventually delaying the use of his front row... and perhaps 2nd row

[Plum]

to effectively drain ap from a whole row u should Lspear it with 2 spearies.


the monk cant act unless he has an exo with a nice lvl(30+) speed cast on it.

atm im running a swd/swd/swd
spr/spr/spr
axe/sham/monk build


ill try putting axe somewhere in front or the mid.
and yes prophet is reallt THE MERC to get for willed melee builds since it adds 3 things which they need.
(heal to counter dmg from will,accuracy and dmg to make the will worthwhile)

[Ferishi]

Brutal Will on front line is a waste since they'll just get hit with frozen axe, and then you'll have to holy guard to remove it, but that also removes the Brutal Will.

Of course, you said you were tired of cookie cutter gunner builds, but having a midline of spearmen is cookie-cutter in and of itself...

[Bilge]

Mass spears, would itwork?

If you ask any gold farmer, the answer is yes.

[LtKillroy]

I was thinking of a massive AP lockout type formation, and I think it would work fairly well, at least on paper. At least its different, which means fun.

[Kaiten]

A monk with holy guard would stop the lightning spears for a while. For pvp, I've never seen a group filled with just one merc type. The closest I've seen was a 5 gunner team.
Whether it works? Perhaps it's worth trying, you can report back your results to us then. =D

[Plum]

ive seen 6 sword/sham/proph/monk build too :p

these are mainly gimmick builds and are suited to a particular strtegy(ap burn in case of spears).

mainly for ppl looking for fun and who want to move away from the traditional bt/exo/witch builds

[Xyber11]

Once I saw a 5 spear and a sham main in FL and it worked pretty well

[meloku2]

If you ask any gold farmer, the answer is yes.


lol but some of them have frontline swords xD

[Locksley]

cookie-cutter = gun/spear/cannon and the occasional axe midline (e.g. axe main=2 vikings, axe(M)+viking+BT)

But i really want to know how effective mass spears are. In macedon server, there is a *gasp* div 10 person who runs all spears, except for prophet & monk (i think). char name finalfantasy. depends on massive AP shutdown, and a cannon stun build barely beat him, i suspect, due to his spears running out of MP and his prophet being focus-fired on.

[Syrus]

7 Spears 1 ora,1monk, or two monks, or be an asshole and try to ap lock them with full on spears lol.

[Frostmourne]

lol I was just thinking about making an all spear build just for fun. I'd have my main as axe though just for freeze. It'd be like this
:spm::malehero::spm:
:spm::sha::spm:
:spm::mnk::pro:
Prophet to keep spears alive and shammy for noble sacrifice.. keep that pesky aoe pressure out of the way.

[Alison]

I run a mass spear build, and it mows through PvE stuff, and i'm decent @ FL. Lv 77 main with ~72 mercs and bounce between div 9-10

Build is:
:spm::spm::spm:
:spm::spm::femalehero:
:mnk::pro::sha:

Oracle is coming soon, and debating on whether to replace the shaman or monk with her. But it does work.

[invadertim3]

If you do mass spears wouldn't your defense be really low though?

[AsianBorat]

A monk with holy guard would stop the lightning spears for a while. For pvp, I've never seen a group filled with just one merc type. The closest I've seen was a 5 gunner team.
Whether it works? Perhaps it's worth trying, you can report back your results to us then. =D

On the other hand, you could counter holy guard with guard dispel, and continue the AP lockdown.

[Ucross]

Mass spears are not that viable because you lose some of the functionality. With any build you need options. For example, what do you do if they holy guard the front line and then use broken spear?

However, spears themselves are viable. One of the top pvp'ers on Sikyon in the top pvp guild HeLL use spears. His name is Arez and he uses 3 spears quite effectively.

I think if you go more than 3 spears your build becomes too specialized and too easy to counter. However, with 3 spears you strike a good balance between always having 2 LS's available to shut down a column and still having other options.

Obviously a key to the build is keeping holly guard off of their front line so a couple ranged units should incorporate your build along with an exo so that the second they don't awaken and holy guard instead you can build up mass stun points. Additionally, with the spears they can only really scroll from a witch for from their back line. Add onto that the mandatory monk/oracle and you end up with 3 spears, 2 long range(cannon/prophet ideal), exorcist, monk, oracle. And you are really only left with one merc for choice and a possible choice of which long range to do.

The extra merc might be good as a BT as keeping up stuns on the front line and pressure on the monk from the Long range encourages the monk to use awakening even more. That means less HG and more LS.

Another option for the extra merc is spartan as you really need a solid counter to seth will builds. Seth will, with their incredible AP gain makes LS a lot less significant.

Overall I think it's a very viable build if you don't overdo it.

[Prima]

:spm::malehero::spm:
:spm::spm::exo:
:mnk::pro::ora:


I guess this would work, but this is hardly min/maxing it. It follows Ucross' suggestions and gives you a good chance of stunning/AP control since you will be guard dispelling with your main spear. Obviously your opponent has to choose between HGing his front or his staffs, and he will probably choose his staffs so LS spam should be fairly effective. Against an aoe pressure build with a strong frontline and broken spears will probably own you though

[Shinji32]

There is a debate on the Official Korean Board about the fastest Leveling Formations, and the Debate is between two Spears Oriented Build here they are:

The Main in all those Debate is always a Shaman Main.

:spm::spm::spm:
:gun::gun::gun:
:femalehero::sha::mnk:

or

:spm::spm::spm:
:arc::arc::arc:
:femalehero::sha::mnk:

They call these two super leveling formations...

In those debate, peoples say you need about +4 to +6 stuff to survive at higher levels (starting at 50+) on the Spears. Record so far is level 100 in 20 days or so using these formations (20 days in real life not in game time), and reason for the 20 days is Stamina, you got a limited supply of it everyday. That's why people don't count it in game time I was told... (I have yet to get a confirmation if they use Bless Potions during the leveling or not) But I believe they do.

There is also some that claimed doing level 100 in 10 days but it was not confirmed, so 20 days stay fastest.

I didn't try both myself but I can say the first one with Gunners work nicely at least I tried it up to 50s and it went pretty fast.

ah yeah just note that they skip all Shadow dungeon except the one for Monks, during the leveling process. Once your high enough you can use Vial of Amnesia to change your main class and then change formations...

I'm not sure I would do it myself, but seeing it's quiet popular on the Korean side I though I would post it here.

I think the main purpose of doing this is to go through the grinding as fast as possible and get a Beserker Main, since you need a Level 100 Main Character to Create a Beserker.

[Lucy]

personally running this formation purely for farming+ fast lvling , 1 prophet would completly mess up this formation

:spm::vik::spm:
:spm::spm::spm:
:sha::malehero::mnk:

its a funny build, thought flying monsters are kinda difficult + annoying
only thing i hate is alot of ppl are mistaking me for a bot lol