Estimate - Starting investment

[cfk]

Had some extra cash to spend and was wondering in a nutshell, how many millions roughly does it take to put into a craft (in general armor/weapon) before it turns profit?

By level 10 crafting of a random item or two, I took at look down the item info figured out the obvious, that overstocked market prices resulted in massive loss until high level items.

Currently on Macedon there is ample supply up to level 50 gear, decent supply of 60, so-so of 70 (probably all from boxes though). Not really much level 80 stuff to speak of.

That puts the craft level of what I would imagine to be a turnaround, to be at least 35.

[Newell]

If your on Argos its pretty quick. But I'd say you'd have to hit blood eq to turn anything. Don't know the #'s. On Argos for helmets, I've invested about 2-3mil for lvl 21.

[Demon]

im currently the #1 helmet crafter in Argos
so it was cheaper for me as i got most exp thru teaching
i spent around 1.5mil to get to level 25
however, i open most of the mat boxes i get so i dont really buy alot of mats.
but yeah, teaching is best way for exp ;D

[cfk]

I got 21 so far on bow from about 12 by teaching and dismantling dirt-cheap items on market but I don't think I can rely on either to get further at a reasonable pace :/

[Arietta]

i picked ring to craft... and its a pain to level. Ive gotten most of my experience from just teaching people from 15+ since it costs so much to even make one ring...

[Axiom]

I don't know which craft you're referring to specifically, but I'm going to ballpark and say it'll take about 20-25m of gold sink before you start seeing any profits at all.

[meloku2]

i picked ring to craft... and its a pain to level. Ive gotten most of my experience from just teaching people from 15+ since it costs so much to even make one ring...

ditch ring, because it gets super expansive for lvl 60 ring, and not affordable at lvl 80, and insanly expansive at lvl 100.

[Kiena]

ditch ring, because it gets super expansive for lvl 60 ring, and not affordable at lvl 80, and insanly expansive at lvl 100.

But it's worse to buy rings, if you can even find them. And since they don't drop anywhere... If you're in a guild, see if people are willing to work on helping you level rings, and become the main 'jeweler' in the guild. Especially see if you can do some crafting of the level 40 (or 60) rings in the guild crafting and then level up the people who worked on it with you. And if there's someone who has high crystal in your guild, ask them for the help in making the crystals you need instead of buying them. I like being able to make rings, and overall enjoy having the skill.

[Zinrae]

Well, I'm not sure what the market conditions are like on Macedon, so you'll have to look and see how what lvl equipment you need to get to to start paying for mats. You also need to try to pick a good equipment to do. Armor is probably a safe bet, since that has higher demand than any of the other crafts. Pants, Greaves, Shoes, and Helmet all probably heve a low amount of crafters, so you could do those. From what I've seen, the weapons are harder to make a profit on, since they take more workload, have more crafters, and are used by a smaller portion of mercs.

All that aside, if you want to be a serious equipment crafter, in addition to all the money you lose on mats for the first 30+ levels, you will need to upgrade your autocraft as much as you can, and it's probably over 100m for a lvl 100.

[LtKillroy]

Man... that's a lot. I have abot 5,000. I take it crafting is, in the long run, the most profitable thing you can do? Because that's a pretty tough ceiling to crack.

[Zinrae]

Well, it has the potential to make a lot of money. And you get to make some nice stuff for yourself too. Not so sure about it being the most profitable thing you can do though. That would probably be winning weekly tourneys all the time. I think if you just want some light profit you can go into something like food, medicine, or machinery.

[LtKillroy]

Well, it has the potential to make a lot of money. And you get to make some nice stuff for yourself too. Not so sure about it being the most profitable thing you can do though. That would probably be winning weekly tourneys all the time. I think if you just want some light profit you can go into something like food, medicine, or machinery.

Hmm, thanks. I swear this game has the best community. Though I doubt I will be able to win weekly tourneys... ever.

[cfk]

Well 20 mil is about all I have, sorta a savings I've been making for level 80+ gear since theres little on market to speak of, or 5-6x the price of level 70 gear.

As for autocraft leveling, is that a necessity or could I just grind the workload out in pve?

[Zinrae]

Yes, you can grind it out on monsters, but the autocraft really adds up in all the times that you aren't fighting (such as when you're asleep).

[Kiena]

Yes, you can grind it out on monsters, but the autocraft really adds up in all the times that you aren't fighting (such as when you're asleep).

I would *not* make leveling your autocraft a priority, but I would get up to at least 30 (the point where you can no longer use beg autocraft actions) when you have the money/can. Once you get up in the 1 million workloads of higher level gear, you're either going to want to do afk crafting or guild crafting. And note you get one for free along the main storyline quest, at level 41ish.

[cfk]

Well just used the crafting app and looked up some mat prices for some of the more expensive level 70 gear...still no profit. Mostly 1.5-2x cost over market price, stuff like armor barely breaking even.

At this rate it looks like of a gamble how many times you get like with a +X craft : /

[Kelnari]

This is a really tough question to answer as market pricing fluctuates wildly from day to day. In my experience- almost all items are cheaper to buy on Thebes atm than they are to craft as people are grinding craft levels... Ammo seems to sell very well though lately.

[Newell]

How does autocraft levels work. I bought one action for level 30-60 and it oes 100 workload every 6 second.

People talk about getting lvl 100, does this require me to buy more actions? Get it up to level 30? How does that work.

[Ferishi]

Auto Craft action items are like skill books. You chug 30 beginner ones until you reach Auto Craft level 30, and from then on, you chug 30 intermediate ones until you reach auto craft level 60. And from then on, you chug advance ones until you reach level 100.

Chugging an intermediate one before you are level 30 when you could have just chugged a beginner one is like reading an Intermediate Flamesword Book when you only had level 2 in Flamesword skill and could have used a Beginner Flamesword Book to level up your Flamesword skill instead.

[Kelnari]

Which brings up an interesting point... sometimes INT and ADV items are cheaper than their lower counterparts. Don't waste money in either case- use the cheapest ones as they are always backwards compatible. (Skillbooks/Actions/ManaStones)

[Ferishi]

Oh yea. I forgot to mention that. Well, in this case, auto-craft INT is ALWAYS more expensive than Auto-craft BEG unless the seller is INSANE. The same can't be said for certain mana stones and even skill books, though.

[kaiser99]

You can craft Auto-craft[beg] when you are at lvl 1 of the skill(forgot wat)
so... imo i would just craft it out and buy those INT ones if i dont wan to go on the craft

[Ferishi]

By the time you're done crafting 30 auto-craft BEGs for yourself, you'll almost have enough skill exp to craft auto-craft INT crafts, anyways. ...course, you'll still need Machine level 20 to craft the materials to craft Auto-Craft INT...

[meloku2]

Which brings up an interesting point... sometimes INT and ADV items are cheaper than their lower counterparts. Don't waste money in either case- use the cheapest ones as they are always backwards compatible. (Skillbooks/Actions/ManaStones)

NEVER ever seen that happen in Thebes, int and adv is always more expansive, but it's cheaper to craft them urself if one of u guildies has machine 20 to 30 then all u need to do it provide mats for those expansive automations.:pra:

[Kelnari]

NEVER ever seen that happen in Thebes, int and adv is always more expansive, but it's cheaper to craft them urself if one of u guildies has machine 20 to 30 then all u need to do it provide mats for those expansive automations.:pra:

Then you aren't browsing the market as often as I am or you're not as lucky... I purchased 10 autocraft int's cheaper than beg's. The above was not just meant for autocraft though- take a look at skill books any day of the week 24/7... you will find int and adv books cheaper than beg's in some skills. Still think it NEVER ever happens?

Secondly, how is it cheaper when the craft requires a dragon crystal? You have a tree that grows these?

[Spydermage]

By the time you're done crafting 30 auto-craft BEGs for yourself, you'll almost have enough skill exp to craft auto-craft INT crafts, anyways. ...course, you'll still need Machine level 20 to craft the materials to craft Auto-Craft INT...

well the good news is, you need not craft 30 auto craft beg to get enough level to craft auto craft int. the bad news is... it's not cheap, as it involves multi hue shard.

[MiaFLSurf]

Ring is BRUTAL to try and make any money on....

[MiaFLSurf]

And I agree...the best way to lvl is to teach people, preferably above lvl 11.... jsut spam the ds for 1k gold a day and teach all day

[olmec]

Man... that's a lot. I have abot 5,000. I take it crafting is, in the long run, the most profitable thing you can do? Because that's a pretty tough ceiling to crack.

I don't think crafting will ever be THAT profitable - there are many other ways to make money that dont have the barrier to entry that crafting does i.e mass amounts of money and time invested hoping to turn a profit MUCH later on.

Do what I do and buy commodity box [low] and [int], open them all, keep what you need and trade the rest into goncourt. Open the ancient boxes he gives you and sell those in the market - always a profit. I'm still going through my 500+ modern book boxes for the 80 deadly strike [beg] I need for my mercs (I run heavy melee)

I sold around 10 beast summons [adv] for 400-600k a piece, and various other stuff for around the same price. Goncourt is a pain in my rear, and my bags are constantly a library, but its the cheapest way to get books I need AND to make money. I already have meteor strike [beg]x20 and [int]x20 stored away for my witch, as well as skills for my oracle and prophet whenever I get them.

Screw crafting - Goncourt is my sugar daddy

[xenapan]

Ring is BRUTAL to try and make any money on....

actually just started crafting level 80 rings.. profit is quite nice.